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New user Posts: 4 Location: Israel | Hi, First - mighty hails to you Chris for undertaking such a gigantic endeavour with reViSiT! I still use IT2 to this day (under WinXP with VDMSound), but have been getting tired of rendering the tracks separately for my "professional" audio needs (I use the term loosely).... I could not even find an halfway-passable IT clone for Windows, let alone a VST-based one! So a project such as this could be a godsend. ![]() Anyway - I've just downloaded the latest alpha and been testing it for a bit under Sonar 4. My questions: . Speed, Tempo and Pattern Jump commands (Axx, Txx, Cxx) - are they still not implemented in any way? Or is there perhaps a way to set a fixed speed/tempo without these commands? I don't know whether or not they all fall into Advanced Sync features (planned for v0.88), so I am wondering at what stage they will become available. . Sample loader: Are you planning to include an integrated sample loader in the future, like the one IT has? The standard "open file" dialogue certainly does its job, but one of the best features of IT is the ability to preview the samples in a directory (and their data) before loading. . Keyboard: It's set to Manual mode, but (for instance) when I press F1, I get both the reViSiT help screen and the Sonar help screen. Not sure if I'm doing things right... Cheers, AK | ||
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Developer Posts: 746 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: England | Hi AK, Thanks for the kind words! Let me see if I can answer your questions... in detail...
None of these commands are currently supported. As to whether they will be ushered in with the Advanced Sync features, the truth is: I don't know either - so let me deal with them individually...
Heh heh, this is going to be a shorter answer: "Yes". reViSiT will eventually boast the sample and instrument loaders (or "libraries") of IT, as internal editor pages, with full preview functionality. It should, however, be noted that Cubase hosts already include a preview option for audio files inside their dialog.
In Manual mode, you also have to manually enable and disable reViSiT's keyboard handler, each time you want to use it - you can click the K-key icon in the bottom right of the reViSiT screen, or press Ctrl-Alt-K. This essentially has the effect of stealing the keyboard focus for reViSiT, whenever it's needed. If you are a already doing this, then it is conceivable that there is a problem with hosting situation. Sonar, being based on DirectX, must use a wrapper to support VST plug-ins. There are two that I have tested: Cakewalk's own VST Adapter; and Tonewise's DirectiXer. So, in some cases, there might be up to three applications fighting for the keyboard input (Sonar, the Wrapper and reViSiT). It is also possible that one of the 'contenders' (other than reViSiT) is using the same method to steal the keyboard input. What it might be doing is getting the the input first, using it and then releasing it back into the wild, whereupon reViSiT grabs it. Should this be the case, I can't see much hope of fixing the problem - though there might be options in the wrapper which toggle keyboard support. All the best, | ||
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akeren![]() |
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New user Posts: 4 Location: Israel | First - thanks for the detailed answers, especially regarding the whole concept of sync. I have to say, I really like the idea of having a special "no sync"/"partial sync" mode - and not just because of backwards compatibility considerations; this would also ensure a greater versatility and enable different ways of working with reViSiT. For example, the way I personally work - since I use Impulse Tracker for programming drum tracks/sample tracks, I do that first and only then record the audio (bass, guitars, etc); so the use of tempo and speed in my project is entirely down to what I do with the tracker. You could say that I use the tracker instead of midi in my project. I'm not sure if anyone else at all works this way... just giving you an example of the possibilities. ![]() About the keyboard: The wrapper I use is Cakewalk's VST Adapter. I was aware of enabling/disabling keyboard with ctrl-alt-K, but apparently the host's own keyboard handling is the problem... I will try to test this further and get back to you. Keep up the good work! AK | ||
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chrisnash![]() |
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Developer Posts: 746 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: England | How people use reViSiT is entirely up to them. However, I have to admit that she is designed to be used for interpretive use, rather than compiled use. These are bastardised programming terms, so let me explain: Compiled Use would be how you are using reViSiT currently - writing music in reViSiT, exporting it (compiling it) to an audio file, and then perhaps using the audio file in a sequencer / host project (as the drum part for a MIDI sequence). It has few advantages over using a standalone tracker, like Renoise. Indeed, under this strategy, the only remaining reason for using reViSiT is that it is perhaps one of the only IT-centric Windows trackers. Interpretive Use delays the export phase until the very end. You write a bit of MIDI in the host, you write a drum line in reViSiT, you tweak something in the host, you tweak something in reViSiT - nothing is set in stone until you want to mix the whole lot to a CD, at which point you simply use the host's Audio Mixdown function. Perhaps you have parts of your drum beat the lend themselves more to MIDI sequencing, and parts which lend themselves more to tracking - both at the same time. With reViSiT as a plug-in, you only have to switch windows before you can tighten up a host's MIDI rhythm, or replace the tracker's samples for a phatter sound. At any point, the final output can simply be heard by hitting the play button. And, in reViSiT, you can even make changes while the song is playing back! reViSiT is about having an integrated music editing environment, trying to keep as many options open for as many stages of the musical process as possible. And I think this will become plainer and plainer as reViSiT nears v1.0. For example, the more MIDI you use in your tracker patterns, the more you'll appreciate the facilities afforded by the host - the more the boundary between tracked parts and MIDI parts will be blurred. And when reViSiT has assignable outs, bouncing patterns down to audio files will become even less necessary (except perhaps in the pursuit of CPU power). Instead of fielding a thumping drum loop or two for a mix, reViSiT might supply half the mix itself - and the dividing line between tracker and sequencer will be so hazy, that the act of bouncing down or exporting tracked audio will be superflous. I don't expect everyone will use reViSiT like this, but I thought it might be a good idea for me to explain my concept of what reViSiT will become, and how it will be used. All the best, | ||
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